November 12, 2004

More thoughts on Anglicanism

I think one of the things that's so appealing to me about the Anglican tradition is that it's a corrective for most of the frustrations I've been having with the PCA. The PCA - as well as the OPC - has pretty much no understanding of liturgy. It has almost no understanding of women's role in the church (which, whatever that may be, isn't nothing). It is pretty parochial, and there's little understanding of what's going on in the denomination as a whole, much less the church at large. It has no memory, and seems quite content to reinvent the wheel on a wide number of issues (Got a problem? Ever thought to find out what the church has done with that problem in the past? Didn't think so.). What's worse, the few people who have actually heard about theology tend to be of a straight-shooting, rule-bound, non-relational style that gets under my skin. They also tend to think that John Piper and writers like him are the best thing since sliced bread (They aren't. Sliced bread is a lot cooler).

The Anglican tradition, on the other hand, has a deep and longstanding relationship with liturgy. They've got a whole book devoted to it, and they actually use it. It hasn't come up with answers I like regarding women in the church, but it's trying, anyway. It is a truly global church, and the connection between other congregations in this city, this country, and the world are palpable. It has a long and careful memory, and always asks what has been done in the past before rushing to any new conclusions. And the people who know about theology tend to be more relaxed about it.

On the other hand, the PCA has little problem with orthodoxy as such. Sure, most of the PCA is pretty bland, but there isn't much that's downright heretical, as in denying-the-creeds heretical. This, however, is something that the Anglican church is dealing with, in spirit if not literally. When you sit down in a room full of PCA elders, you don't have to ask the question "Do all of these people believe the Bible?" With Anglicans, you do. We've got some real moonbats, including one of the assistant bishops of the NYC diocese. Neo-paganism just isn't an issue with the PCA.

I'm not trying to say that one is better than the other. Both have their problems, and the problems of the Anglican church are, by any standard worth talking about, a lot more visible and serious than the PCA's. The PCA isn't on the verge of having its centuries-old international communion dissolve in the next few months, that's for sure. But I will say that when there are real differences of opinion in a community - which the PCA doesn't have, not really - it's a lot easier to maintain a sense of perspective. What in the PCA are issues divisive enough to force people and congregations out of the denomination are in the Anglican world on the level polite of dinnertable discussion. There are so many issues of such greater import that making common cause with people you don't agree with about everything is a lot easier and a lot more important. Especially when you've a sense of belonging to a Body that extends beyond the bounds of the few dozen people that you personally know.

I won't necessarily be Anglican for the rest of my life. The odds of finding another Anglican congregation as healthy as this one are slim, and may well change dramatically in the next few months. But for right now, I like their set of problems more than I like the PCA's set of problems. Besides, if we're going to be influenced by the tradition to which we belong, I'd rather stick with a long-standing, well-established, liturgically rich tradition.

So I guess that means I'm Anglican. At least for now.

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Posted by ryan at November 12, 2004 01:53 PM | TrackBack
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Liturgy. I understand, and yet I don't. I can't say I'm a novice, but I have read enough to keep up.

I generally have associated liturgy with sacramentology: God is Infinite, by himself unknowable. Hence, He acted with purpose to express Himself to us in such a manner that we can wrap our senses around and truly know Him.

Yet, it is an expression that happens in a 'hiding' of sorts, to protect us from the sheer glory of His holiness, while at the same time, that glory is not completetly kept from us either. And alot of this expression, so i have a murky understanding of at least, comes through a number of things we do together as the Body: membership (thus attendance), baptism, prayer, the eucharist...absolution. It's the active joining of symbol with what it is symbolizing -the Holy Spirit applying these things to our hearts- that we become sanctified.

Set me straight if I'm of the trail...call Pastor Fox if I'm heretical.

-The thing is, what keeps liturgically-minded folks from the Rome -and East- at large? And should there be something that keeps one from Rome and Byzantium? Because I think they are the next step for those who end up discontent with Anglican thought.

Posted by: jCave at November 12, 2004 04:14 PM

Ryan, you might just be surprised at how close the Presbyterian and Reformed tradition really is to the Anglican, if you go back far enough. Check out Baird's _Presbyterian Liturgies_. The problem is that we've all been Americanized (read: Anabaptized). Ever wonder where the French Huegenots went? Among other things, many of them became Anglican when they came to America because they didn't recognize the Reformed and Presbyterian churches as being Reformed or Presbyterian anymore. Or so I'm told.

You may also be surprised at how many in the PCA (and elsewhere) share your exact same concerns and are working for reformation in the directions you indicate. There are many, many historically-conscious people working quietly in their own parrishes, building relationships with other churches in their cities (across denominational lines). Good stuff.

Posted by: nick at November 12, 2004 04:27 PM

I am aware of some of these tendencies. The whole reason the Presbyerian and Anglican churches are distinct has far more to do with politics than theology. America has not been good to the Reformed tradition. Or the Anglican tradition, for that matter.

I am also aware of internal reform movements. But in NYC, all we've got is Redeemer PCA, which, as far as I can tell, is leading the charge in the wrong direction. Were I to leave NYC, I'd look at the Reformed churches again. It just doesn't really seem like an option here.

Posted by: ryan at November 12, 2004 04:37 PM

Dear Ryan:

When I started Redeemer (in 1989) and put in creeds and confession of sin and written prayers and several Eucharistic forms taken out of Cranmer's prayer book--I was told I was being super-liturgical. Of course we are not as liturgical as the average Episcopal church but by PCA standards I certainly was. A couple of years ago I co-authored a book on worship with an Anglican (from England) and as it turned out I had a greater preference for liturgical worship than he did. And by all accounts most of our daughter churches around the city and metro area are more liturgical than we are, with weekly communion.

So I'm a bit surprised that you think we are leading 'the charge in the wrong direction.' Everybody I know thinks we are at least a mild force in the PCA toward liturgical renewal and away from the Willow Creek contemporary church model.

Tim Keller

Posted by: Tim Keller at November 12, 2004 04:59 PM
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