Ranting to /dev/null

It would seem that if a man didn't want a baby, he wouldn't "stick it" to a woman. That demonstrates a clear desire on his part. Argue all you want, but sex is ultimately a reproductive tool.

Also, a woman deserves the burden of decision because a baby is manifested within her body. Re: it's her body and her choice.

I'm pretty certain no-one is arguing that sex isn't a reproductive tool, in fact, I feel to see how that either undermines are serves an a counter-example to Ryan's argument.

I also don't understand how it follows from "sex being a reproductive tool" that if men have sex they automatically want a child i.e. "a clear desire". Don't we do things all the time that have unwanted consequences?

In fact, I can state with a great deal of certainty that on many a coital occasion I have clearly not desired a child.

To keep playing Devils advocate: if the woman bears the burden of the decision, why doesn't she bear the burden of the responsibility? If the man has no legal say, why should have legal responsibility? Is his responsibility tied simply to the sex act? Were that the case many men would be paying "sex support" to women all over the place.

Anyways, I'm fascinated to see how this plays out Ryan.

Bowl,

Your final statement is absurd. Thankfully you provide the perfect rebuttal to such nonsense when you say "it's her body and her choice."

It is possible that the baby is "manifested" in a woman in the sense that it proves all women, as women, do have babies as an inherent part of their body. Thus "it's her body and her choice," for it is the same with all women. (The obvious fallacy in this reasoning being that it takes both a sperm and an egg...)

It is also possible that a baby is "manifested" in the sense that it is merely revealed. But if this is true, the baby exhibits a peculiar distinctness by virtue of this "manifestation."

As for the former example if evolution has taught us anything at all, unless you are wiling to admit that a fetus is a mutation of superior women, and is a mutation which all superior women will soon enjoy, it becomes preposterous to ignore the very cause and effect which governs our daily lives, and declare said fetus a part of the woman.

umm, "bowl": So if a man doesn't want to be a father, he shouldn't have sex, right? If that's the standard you're going to apply to men, equal protection under the law would seem to demand that you also apply it to women, i.e. if a women doesn't want to have a baby, then she shouldn't have sex. But the legalization of abortion makes that no longer the case. A woman can have sex free of reproductive consequences. A man cannot. This is unfair.

It is a little known fact that Kanye West is the man behind this lawsuit. If you read between the lines of his music, you can see that he has had a rough relationship with a woman who is requesting child support.